Saudi Man with Six Wives Plead Ignorance
by ana on Feb.17, 2010, under polygamy in media
A Saudi court has sentenced an employee of the kingdom’s religious police to 120 lashes for marrying six women.
The man said he was not educated enough to know that Islam does not allow men to marry more than four women at any one time, said an official at Ahad al-Massarha court in the southern province of Jazan.
“The judge did not believe him. Nobody believed him. I honestly did not,” the official told Reuters.
The court banned the man from standing as a preacher and leading prayers, ordered him not to travel abroad for a five-year period and to memorise two chapters from the Koran.
The accused, in his fifties, is not a member of the Saudi Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice’s morals squad but holds an administrative position there, the official said.
Shaikh Abdul-Mohsen al-Qaffari, spokesman of the virtue and vice commission, said it was the commission that discovered the case. Judge Salman al-Waadani, who pronounced the sentence, could not be reached for comment.
The court official said, “Members of the commission were accompanied by police when they arrested the man with one of his wives but it was the governor of Jazan who ordered an investigation onto the case”.
The commission makes sure Saudi society abides by an austere interpretation of Islam in the kingdom, where clerics control the justice system.
With more than 5,000 members, its squads roam streets and shopping malls to make sure unrelated men and women are kept apart, that shops and restaurants are shut at prayer time, that women are covered from head to toe and to search for alcohol and drugs.
Islam allows polygamy for men on condition the wives are treated fairly. (Reuters)
Credit for the above info: Arabian Business.com by Souhail Karam on Wednesday, 18 February 2010
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February 17th, 2010 on 9:29 PM
lol. I HIGHLY doubt he didn’t know. I mean if there is one rule (besides no pork) that Muslim men know about it is the 4 wives rule. give me a break. I wonder if one of the whistle blowers was one or more of the wives?
February 17th, 2010 on 9:38 PM
wow, Tuttie, you’re really sharp! It never occurred to me the whistle blower may have been one of the wives lol. If not one of the wives, it probably was a relative or close friend of one of the wives. Six wives…how greedy is that? He must be quite wealthy.
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February 17th, 2010 on 9:38 PM
Does he have to get rid of two (or more) of his wives? Or does he just have the lashes and Qur’an memorization and get to keep all 6 wives? Just curious.
February 17th, 2010 on 9:44 PM
Rebeckah, I was surprised the article didn’t address whether he was able to keep all six of them or not. I’m certain two had to go though. I wonder which ones he had to let go of and whether he’ll sneak off to see them. I guess we’ll just have to keep wondering… lol
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February 18th, 2010 on 2:06 AM
I wonder why there is a man who is loyal to one women (even if his wife already pass away), but the other man do polygamy while his wife is with him?
Why is that happen?
February 18th, 2010 on 6:40 AM
Hi there Joan,
Welcome to Polygamy 411 and thank you for joining us with the million dollar question.
You asked: “I wonder why there is a man who is loyal to one women (even if his wife already pass away), but the other man do polygamy while his wife is with him?” My answer is simple. I’d say it was written in the script.
Some people would say it’s because:
.Some men are more viral than others and desire more women
.Some are impotent therefore stay with one woman
.Some are insecure therefore stay with one woman
.Some have low testosterone levels therefore stay with one woman
.Men that are powerful and ambitious desire more than one woman
.Some like Tiger Woods are said to be sex addicts lol
.Some are down low (are married or in a relationships with a woman, but like men.) therefore have only one woman)
.Some are control freaks and like the conquest of many women
.some were just born with a desire for many women
.Some do it out of anger and revenge. (I think it was a main reason my husband did it.)
I’m sure I’ve missed some reasons the “experts” have given. I guess it is all in what we want to believe.
That was a good question Joan.
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February 18th, 2010 on 6:48 AM
Just because this is an open house and you don’t have to knock, doesn’t mean you can’t get the boot and get thrown out
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February 18th, 2010 on 9:47 AM
When I went to Hajj in 1977 I met an American Haji who said that he had 5 wives. He also pleaded ignorance, in his case it might even have been true. He seemed to be doing well. He had an artificial jewelery business. In each shop he had one wife, and one in the factory. In the shop where he also sold gold jewelery his mother was helping out as well. He told me that he married one wife at age 13. When I asked whether that did not get him into trouble he stated that ‘the authorities don’t care what we blacks do…’. Sounds like a free country…
February 18th, 2010 on 9:49 AM
And, yes, a Saudi told him that he will need to divorce one of the wives, however, he stated to me that he would have difficulties making up his mind about which one. Anyway, it is a long time ago and maybe the problem solved it solved in the meantime ‘naturally’ …
February 18th, 2010 on 6:51 PM
Haji Rafiq,
That was a strange person that you crossed paths with at hajj (the Pilgrimage to Mecca – for non-Muslims that don’t know). You said in that man’s case his plea of ignorance may have been true. It doesn’t sound like that man was playing with a full deck- you know-didn’t have all his marbles or something like that.
Something was drastically wrong with him, if you said this man alleged he married a 13 year old and no one cared. Trust me. If that was true and someone WITH SENSE knew about it, and reported him to the authorities, he would have been tried and in jail. It’s nonsense what he said that no one cares what he does in America because he’s Black. If anything, up until very recently, the opposite was true. They cared very much what he did because he was black and didn’t care in a good way.
Sorry to say that man was just off his rocker. I find it very hard to believe that a man that knows what polygamy is and became Muslim would not know the number of wives he was limited to is four. I just can’t comprehend it. That was very interesting Haji Rafiq. Please don’t think that man represents the norm in America. It’s kind of crazy.
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February 19th, 2010 on 2:27 AM
Ana and Joan, one interesting fact about monogamy and polygamy is that there is an enzyme found most frequently in the brain of monogamous men and animals. It is quite often lacking in men and animals who cannot remain committed to one woman.
I have to say, Ana, that a lot of the reasons you listed for men who remain monogamous sounded very much like something a polygamous (or unfaithful) man trying to convince himself he was somehow “superior” to a faithful man might say. In short, it sounds like someone who was feeling guilty about his own life choices came up with an ego stroking reason why others are successful in being true to their vows and faithful to their loves when they can’t.
The truth is, men (as in human beings) are not animals and are not driven by instincts, hormones and emotions unless they allow themselves to be. In my mind, there is no excuse for a man to betray the love and trust of woman. And there aren’t many women who would willingly enter into a polygamous relationship. The few who would are usually only “willing” when it is an equally polygamous relationship — as in, she can have multiple partners too.
Just my humble observations to date.
February 19th, 2010 on 10:55 AM
As salaamu alaikum Ana,
Are you back from vacation? How was it and how are you doing?
February 19th, 2010 on 10:28 PM
Wa Alaikum As Salaam A Muslima,
Yep, I’m back. It was a really nice little vacation; I thank Allah much. We only spoke of Carolinah once, which I’ll post about very soon, Insha Allah. Where does all the time go? It passes by so fast, which is scary.
I’m doing better each day, Mashallah, and polygamy is beginning to feel more like the norm for me. I begin to think about sharing Alex, which agitates me for the moment until I remember Allah, get out of my head and back into the moment.
It’s good hearing from you. I’ve been thinking of you. Insha Allah, all is good with you too
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February 24th, 2010 on 11:58 PM
Ana,
.Some do it out of anger and revenge. (I think it was a main reason my husband did it.)
For the life of me, I do not recall you discussing the Anger or Revenge angle of your situation.
He got EVEN with you, by taking a second wife? Do you care to discuss this?
February 25th, 2010 on 1:42 AM
I have mentioned it on a number of occasions throughout the blog, mainly in comments. I‘ve explained that I was angry, bitter and disappointed with Alex at the onset of our marriage, as I felt I had been deceived by him. I didn’t realize until after we were married that he knew near nothing of Islam and had no desire to know. He had said he didn’t know much, but was willing to learn. I didn’t find that to be true. I became extremely bitter and angry towards him. I distanced myself from him and turned my attention to my friend/wali and his family for Islamic support. They were my family, as my biological family is not Muslim. Alex refused to become a part of that family.
After almost five years of being neglected by me (no attention or affection), I would say he went back and got Carolinah. I discussed how he turned to her in “rebound” like he did when he was going through his first divorce from his first wife. He said she “comforted” him. The things he said to me lead me to believe he was seeking revenge. For instance, he said something like I wonder what you’d do if she becomes Muslim. He exclaimed, “She comfort me”. He said, “I was patient with you for almost five years” -things of that nature. So, in essence to get even, have revenge, and get “comforted”, he “married” Carolinah.
This is a prime example of why I believe people shouldn’t make promises, as no one knows what the future holds or what the variables will be.
Since Alex “married” Carolinah and I’ve adjusted better, our marriage has become better. As I’ve mentioned in previous post, I’ve gotten to know myself and Alex better. There’s a lot of good for me in polygamy as it has helped me to become a less self absorbed, self-centered person etc. and has brought me closer to Allah. I still need a tremendous amount of work, but I’m making progress. Alhumdiallah!
http://polygamy411.com/2009/02/polygamy-helps-you-know-self-and-others-better/
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February 25th, 2010 on 7:04 AM
polygamy as revenge? I don’t think so. Too expensive if it was only for that purpose.
February 25th, 2010 on 11:46 AM
No. Revenge was not the only reason Alex “married” Carolinah. I only pointed out that it was part of the dynamics of what was going on. Alex was discontent in his and my marriage. I was discontent with him. He said he had advised me that he was unhappy, but I didn’t care.
He initially advised me that he went back to Carolinah for “comfort”. Once he “married” her he gave me other reasons for seeking her out again. He said she wanted sex; she needed help; people were taking advantage of her and he needed to help her. I mentioned her house was in the process of being foreclosed on. He said he needed to be needed. I discussed it in: http://polygamy411.com/2009/02/polygamy-questions-asked/
He has never advised me that he love her. He has only said he cares about her. I’ve asked him. He has always been forthcoming when I ask him direct questions about her. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not saying he doesn’t lie.
Before Alex “married” Carolinah, I wasn’t happy with the way things were in the relationship. As I had mentioned, I had distanced myself from Alex. I felt badly about it. This was discussed in: http://polygamy411.com/2009/10/i-asked-for-polygamy-but-didnt-know-it/
After he “married” her, he said he made a mistake and plead for my forgiveness numerous times. Even after the recent naked photo incident, he advised me that he had made a “big mistake.” He said nothing was what he expected.
I guess we could say this a recap of the beginning of my journey, so to speak.
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February 25th, 2010 on 11:57 AM
P.S. We can’t forget to add to the equation that Alex left me and went to Carolinah to escape Islam. He didn’t have to be burdened with offering salat, eating the proper foods, fasting etc that Islam entails. I’ve spoken of how he said, “I didn’t know I had to be saved”, after he and I were married. He had no interest in Islam at all.
Alex had perpetrated a fraud for almost five years. It was a relief for him to be able to be with Carolinah in her home and be himself with no religious constaints.
I apologize to all who have heard this story for the last past year. I’m only recaping, as I was asked to elaborate on the revenge and getting even aspect of it.
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February 25th, 2010 on 5:29 PM
Haji Rafiq, you said: “polygamy as revenge? I don’t think so. Too expensive if it was only for that purpose.”
Do you think the cost of polygamy is too great for revenge? What about the people that kill people for revenge?
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March 9th, 2010 on 5:59 AM
Revenge, most definitely. In my case, he sought to get even with me, and married her without even telling me. But he is paying the price. That was a sorry foundation for a marriage. They are miserable, and stuck.
I got past the hurt, but he has the rest of his life to feel it and pay for it since there are now children involved. I am a little sad for him/them.
March 9th, 2010 on 6:03 AM
People seldom sit down and calculate the potential costs of actions they are about to take, when they are motivated by anger.
We were taught in The Bible to leave revenge in the hands of The Lord. Good advice!
March 9th, 2010 on 7:16 AM
I’m glad you’ve gotten past the hurt JeanneT. It takes time, but the pain definitely subsides – for some quicker than others. For me it took communicating about it here for the last year. I’m grateful God allowed me to meet and communicate with such wonderful people here, otherwise I could see myself still being stuck where I was. When I first began communicating here I was just a couple months past two years of being in polygamy and I was still in a tremendous amount of pain. Today I can say I barely think about Alex and Carolinah, only in a mere passing insignificant thought that I immediately block out. I don’t foresee anyone hearing on the blog that I’ve lashed out against her again. She’s probably wishing I would so she’d know I’m bothered and care, but I don’t foresee it happening.
Yes, revenge and retaliation are bad. I’ve learned that firsthand. It has always backfired on me, every single time (remember my last anniversary?) I hope I’ve learned my lesson well.
I’m wishing you the best JeanneT and I’m happy you’ve made much progress. Thank you for sharing with us how good you’re doing on your journey. Keep up the good work
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March 10th, 2010 on 10:29 AM
“lol. I HIGHLY doubt he didn’t know. I mean if there is one rule (besides no pork) that Muslim men know about it is the 4 wives rule. give me a break. I wonder if one of the whistle blowers was one or more of the wives?”
Personally I also doubt he didn’t know. I’m not a follower of Islam and even I know this is the rule
But then again I’ve studied many religions so I don’t know if that’s a good argument
March 10th, 2010 on 7:02 PM
lol That man just didn’t want to “fess up” to his wrong doing
. He figured he’d lie, as he knew no one could get inside his head to prove what knew and didn’t know. That’s why in the USA “ignorance of the law is no excuse” – that’s the rule, which is how we get around that problem.
I didn’t know a Muslim man was permitted to have more than one wife until I was introduced to Islam, but I live in America. I didn’t know any Muslims except one who gave me Tai Chi lessons, and didn’t discuss Islam with me. No way living in a predominately Muslim country would he not know unless he was mentally challenged and based on his job, we know he wasn’t that
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March 31st, 2010 on 7:05 AM
Ana, I was just reading about the life of Muhammad, and apparently he had thirteen wives???
March 31st, 2010 on 9:33 PM
Donald,
Only the Prophet Muhammad was permitted to have more than four wives. Those wives were selected for him by Allah (SWT) and he was not to exchange them for any other. His wives could not remarry after his death.
According to the book “The Family of the Holy Prophet” by S.M. Madani, the Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) marriages were as follows:
The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married his first wife Khadijah when he was 25 years old and she was 40 years old, twice widowed. He was monogamous with her for 25 years. She died at age 65 when he was in his 51st year of age.
Following Khadijah’s death,
His second wife was Saudah. She embraced Islam at the beginning of the apostlehood. It is said she was of equal age to him or older. She was a poor widow with a son. Knowing the Prophet (PBUH) was grief stricken over the loss of his wife Khadijah, and knowing he needed someone to care for his household and children, someone suggested that Saudah be his wife and he married her.
His third wife was Aisha and was his only virgin wife. She was the daughter of his most beloved, devoted and sincere friend Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr belonged to a very respectable and influential tribe of Quraish. Relations with a powerful chief were strengthened by way of this marriage.
His fourth wife was Hafsa. She was 19 years old and widowed. Her husband died in the battle of Badr. Both she and her husband were devout Muslims. One of the Prophet Muhammad’s most faithful and devoted companions, Umar suggested the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) marry his daughter Hafsa. He accepted to cement his relations with another powerful chief, Umar.
His fifth wife was Zainab Bint Khuzaimah. She was 30 years old when the Prophet Muhammad was 57 or 58. She was twice widowed. Her second husband was killed in the battle of Uhud. She died after being married to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) for two or three months
His sixth wife was Salamah. She and her husband had embrace Islam. Her husband was wounded in the battle of Uhud and died. Salamah was pregnant and was left destitute and helpless with a number of children to support. After being apprised of Salamah’s condition, the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married her to help her and her children.
His seventh wife was Zainab Bint Jah’sh. She embraced Islam at the beginning of the apostlehood. The Prophet Muhammad married Zainab Bint Jah’sh to Zaid, a slave whom he set free and adopted as a son. The Prophet Muhammad insisted on the marriage to set an example to uplift slaves and to abolish inequality between man and man. Slaves and their masters are all equal in Islam. The marriage failed and Zaid divorce Zainab Bint Jah’sh. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) received a revelation that he was to marry her, which he did. The marriage clarified that a believer could marry the divorced wife of an adopted son.
His eighth wife was Barrah , later renamed Juwairiyah. The marriage was contracted with a political motive. She was the daughter of the chief of the tribe of Banu-al-Mustaliq over whom the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was victorious. Barrah was a prisoner. In order to win the heart of his enemies with kindness, he ordered her release. He subsequently married her. The marriage was a diplomatic measure by which the Prophet Muhammad won the hearts of the most diehard opponents of Islam. As a result of the marriage, all the prisoners of the tribe of Banu-al –Mustaliq were freed by Muslims as the former had now become the relatives of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) of Islam.
His nineth wife was Umm-E-Habibah, age 36 or 37. She had accepted Islam and was a widow with a child. Umm-E-Habibah was the daughter of the chief of the Quraish. By the alliance, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was successful in winning over the important and powerful tribe of Banu Umaiya.
His tenth wife was Safiyah, a Jewish widow and daughter of a Jewish chief. She was a descent of the Prophet Moses. She was captured as a prisoner of war after the Muslim victory in Khyber. The Prophet Muhammad secured her release and invited her to accept Islam, which she did. He subsequently married her.
His eleventh wife was Maymunah Bint Harris, age 51 at the time. She was married twice; she was a divorcee and then became a widow. This marriage developed cordial relations between Muslims and other tribes and increased the number of Muslims and their supporters.
His twelfth wife was Rehanah of the Jewish tribe Bani Nazeer . She was captured as booty in a battle and was a widow. The Prophet Muhammad offered to marry her. She accepted Islam and they married. There is question as to whether he married her or kept her as a maid, which was the prevailing practice then. The main consideration for this marriage was rehabilitation of a widow and winning the sympathies of the Jews.
His thirteenth wife was Maria Qibtia. She was a gift from a chief, the former ruler of Egypt. The prevailing custom was you had to accept a gift. She had embraced Islam before reaching him.
From the above we could all see the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not marry for self-gratification, lust or sex.
I think it would be good for Muslim men of today to learn about the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prior to engaging in polygamy, as he is our example.
Please note: Some historians and theologians differ regarding their findings regarding the marriages. Again, the information was obtained from the book “The Family of the Holy Prophet” by S.M. Madani.
Thank you Donald for the comment. It gave me the opportunity to relate the above as an easy reference.
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April 2nd, 2010 on 3:22 PM
Al-hamdu lillah.There is a critical lesson for us in this aspect of the sirah of our Holy Nabi(peace and blessings be upon him). In the matter of multiple wives never do we see him SEEKING another wife to add to his family. It was not reason that guided him( even though his reasoning was regulated by Allah[ta ala]).
We should NEVER seek to be married(even to a 1st wife or a husband) because it is a good idea. Ideas are defined by time, place and circumstance. As soon as these elements change, then so will the choice made based on them. How often have you heard, “well, it seemed like a good idea at the time”?
Mankind was chosen by Allah(ta ala) to be His representative on earth. Imagine yourself an employer and your employee decides to make decisions and dispose of YOUR resources without checking with you first. What would be your reaction? You would of course FIRE their butt! Allah(ta ala)’s mercy is not like that of anything we can think of or imagine. He will and has withdrawn His guidence, help and aid from those who “go it alone”.
When we choose to be married, we make a choice to expend resources THAT are not ours to begin with. Namely time, energy and effort. We say at least 5 times daily “my wealth, services and sacrifices are for thee O Allah”, then turn around and dispose of them without so much as a second thought.
As an employer my greatest complaint is when those employed by me DON’T let me know what they are doing with regards to my business. If we are to be about the business of Allah(ta ala)’s business, it is critical to our success to “check in with Him” on matters effecting His business. Marriage ranks at the top of Allah(ta ala)’s business. Remember it represents half of deen!
your brother in Oakland
“pray oftn n much”
April 2nd, 2010 on 7:08 PM
As Salaamu Alaikum Ibemusliim, it’s good to have you here at polygamy 411. I’m glad you’ve joined us and commented. Thank you for sharing your refreshing perspective on how we should view marriage. You are absolutely right; the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not SEEK anyone out for marriage. His polygamous marriages were all for the propagation of Islam.
All Muslim marriages should be center around Islam and as you said, should not be about an “idea.” You stated: “Ideas are defined by time, place and circumstance. As soon as these elements change, then so will the choice made based on them.” If a marriage is contracted seeking the good pleasure of Allah, and for the betterment of one’s soul by performing good deeds, and if all parties are on the same page, how could a marriage fail? It should be a marriage based on singleness of purpose, to worship and serve Allah SWT, together.
Ibemusliim, thank you much for sharing your perspective on marriage with your original examples of how we fall short when it comes to us being Allah’s vicegerents on earth. We look forward to hearing from you again soon
I like that, “pray oftn n much.” Thank you for the reminder!
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April 4th, 2010 on 3:17 PM
Remember the substance of Iblis’ argument against bowing down before Adam(as). He REASONED, “I, you made of fire and him You made of mud, I am superior to him”. Iblis’ reasoning was sound and his logic impeccable. However he was not ordered to logically evaluate the situation! He was not commanded to “proof the order” before obeying! He was commanded to bow in OBEDIENCE to the One Who Commanded him to. Compliance without question when the instructions are clear! To hear and obey.
We tend too often to make the same mistake. We use our logic and reason to dysect a command and forget to obey it. We use our “tiny little big brain” to flip, turn, slip, skip and duck before obeying. If we obey at all.
Obedience is better for us, if we but knew! Let me relate an instance from our history. Umar ibn Khatib(ra) came to the Messenger of Allah( peace and blessing be upon him) and said, ‘O messenger of Allah you are dearer to me than myself’. Whereupon the messenger of Allah(ta ala) said, ‘none of you have faith until I am dearer to him than himself, his mother and father and all of mankind’, whereupon Umar said O messenger of Allah you are dearer to me than myself, my parents and all of mankind”. This hadith is rated hadith hasan. And these are the best generation.
Umar(ra) didn’t “go logical”! He didn’t employ his intellect, HE obeyed in an instant. This kind of trust in Allah(ta ala) is no small matter. When we surrender our logic and reason to Allah(ta ala) He rises to the ocassion and guides us perfectly. And none can guide perfectly but He!
your brother in Oakland
“pray oftn n much”
April 4th, 2010 on 3:53 PM
As Salaamu Alaikum ibemuslim!
You said, He “didn’t go logical”
Oh, OK, let me pull myself together. I’m so sorry. You added a bit of humor to your words of wisdom.
I don’t know; you and first (first commented under http://polygamy411.com/2009/02/is-it-imagination-or-satan/comment-page-1/#comment-4006 ) are really heavy today. Thank you much ibemuslim for elaborating on how we are supposed to “hear and obey”. You have a unique way of presenting the Truth so we could all understand. I pray you reap many barakats for coming forward and commenting and sharing with us all in a fun like way.
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April 4th, 2010 on 10:47 PM
Abdullah ibn Masud(ra) related; I heard the messenger of Allah(peace be upon him) say;”the jews and christians worship their rabbi’s and priests.Ibn Masud said,’O messenger of Allah they do not worship them’. The prophet then said’ they most assuredly do, for they have made lawful what Allah(ta ala) has made unlawful and have made unlawful what Allah has made lawful and they obey them’”. This hadith is rated Hadith Hasan by both Bukhari and Muslim.
This is a very powerful hadith because it condemns as shirk the following of those who change what Allah(ta ala) has ordered.
The only crime that Allah(ta ala) has said He will not forgive is that of shirk. And we toy with it as though it is some “scrabble game of words”. Then wonder why our road is so uneven.
One well-known Imam ralated an antedote. He says “a speaker takes the podium in a room full of men. He says everyone whose wife tells them what to do, move to the right side of the room. Everyone moved except one man. The speaker asked this guy what was afoot. The man replied, I’m waiting for my wife to tell me to move”!
The prophet is reported to have said, “you are already doomed when you begin to obey your women”.
When we obey the conditions placed on us by otherthan the messenger and the rightly guided generations as to what Allah(ta ala) has made lawful, we surrender to them in preference to Allah(ta ala). How then can we command the respect of the world?
Thank you Sister Ana for welcoming me to this forum and for the kind words. However, I only take credit for that which is wrong or incorrect in my writings. Everything else is from Allah( ta ala) and to Him is due all the praise, thanks and glory forever.
This a powerful tool to correct the many mistakes made by us in our understanding. May Allah(ta ala) bless and guide all who participate, ameen.
your brother in Oakland
“pray oftn n much”
April 4th, 2010 on 11:37 PM
ibemuslim, I’m glad you mentioned the following:
“The prophet then said’ they most assuredly do, for they have made lawful what Allah(ta ala) has made unlawful and have made unlawful what Allah has made lawful and they obey them’”.
“The only crime that Allah(ta ala) has said He will not forgive is that of shirk. And we toy with it as though it is some “scrabble game of words”. Then wonder why our road is so uneven.”
“The prophet is reported to have said, “you are already doomed when you begin to obey your women”.”
All of what you said helps answer the question in a previous post – “Having Secret Wives – is it Shirk?” http://polygamy411.com/2009/09/having-secret-wives-is-it-shirk/
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