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Le droit néerlandais, La charia et la polygamie

par on Dec.29, 2009, au cours La polygamie mondiale

polygamy 411Sharia: Government to act if Dutch law broken

Attempts to practise aspects of sharia (Islamic) law in the Netherlands which involve compulsion, pressure and a misuse of power will be clamped down hard on by the government, justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin told MPs on Tuesday.

The cabinet’s job is to ensure that the Netherlands does not developa parallel society in which people take the law into their own hands or maintain their own legal system which operates outside the framework of our own legal system’, the minister said.

Some aspects of sharia law, such as the differences between men and women and divorce laws, do conflict with key Dutch values and Dutch law will never allow legal polygamy, he told MPs.

Néanmoins, some form of settling differences about questions of belief and behaviour did not have to conflict with public order, as long as they were entered into voluntarily, the minister said.

Before the summer break, the anti-immigration PVV party had asked Hirsch Ballin to investigate the setting up of sharia courts at some mosques. That investigation is due to be completed next year.

Crédit pour l'info ci-dessus: © DutchNews.nl, 02-09-2009

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La polygamie Retour à la monogamie

par on Dec.23, 2009, au cours Info polygamie., Section 2

polygamy 411Is it easy or difficult to return to monogamy after being in a polygamous marriage?  Why, or why not?  The question is for both males and females. I’m just curious to know. For those who have experienced the transition, please be so kind and share your experience and thoughts about it with us.  Any and all thoughts from everyone about the return from polygamy to monogamy are most welcomed. Thank you!

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A propos du Dr. Omar Zaid M.D.

par le 20 déc, 2009, au cours Info polygamie., Section 2

Dr. Omar Zaid M.D.
Research Fellow, CCSTI, IIUM, Kuala Lumpur, Médecin en Malaisie, Auteur, Editeur, ozaidmd@gmail.com

Dr. Omar Zaid est un médecin d'urgence à la retraite Chambre aujourd'hui chercheur à l'ISTAC (IIUM) depuis Juillet 2007. Il est collaborateur à la rédaction d'trimestrielle de l'ISTAC Bulletin; Rédacteur en chef adjoint du Journal de l'ISTAC Au Sajarah et diverses autres publications en anglais. Il est aussi rédacteur freelance pour l'AICA, Livres islamiques confiance, KL, et des Communications Ltd EQHO, une coopération internationale de traduction. à Bangkok. Avant sa conversion à l'islam en 2004, Dr. Zaid a été un chrétien évangélique missionnaire au Sarawak en Malaisie orientale. Il fait actuellement des recherches sur l'histoire de l'Eglise, Gnosticisme, Religions à mystères, Cultes de la fertilité, l'histoire des sociétés hermétiques et du développement humain et la sexualité. En plus de plusieurs essais et monographies, Il est l'auteur de Trinity: La métamorphose du mythe (Penpress, Brighton, Angleterre, 2008); Les Mains d'Iblis: Observations sommaires sur la main invisible du Nouvel Ordre Mondial (AS Nordeen, KL, 2009). Son prochain livre, Caïn Creed: Le culte de Rome, une déconstruction et la révision de l'histoire de l'Eglise, est prévue pour la libération par l'AS Nordeen au 2010.

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Bienvenue Dr. Omar Zaid à la polygamie 411

par le 20 déc, 2009, au cours Info polygamie., Section 2

polygamy 411Dr. Omar Zaid, M.D. has joined us heDr at Polygamy 411. He is a welcomed expert, a reader, a commenter, and a part of our family here. Dr. Omar is a wealth of information and a tremendous asset to us all. It’s a pleasure to have him here and I am pleased he has joined us.

Dr. Omar has indicated he appreciates criticism and all comments, so don’t hesitate to ask questions.

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La polygamie au Bangladesh

par le 20 déc, 2009, au cours La polygamie mondiale

Zahidul Islampolygamy 411

It is very unfortunate that polygamy in Islam has been a subject of controversy. While a group of scholars has, without going into deep study of the divine rules, preached that Islam has permitted to have more than one and upto four wives without reservation, the other group of scholars has, without paying any thought to the reality of life and society, opined that Islam in effect prohibited polygamy. Consequence is that they have made polygamy in Islam a moot question, which it is really not. Most deplorable state is that without any insights into the polygamy in Islam, some people have begun terming the provisions on polygamy as anti-women and biased to men. Hence here is an attempt to clarify the issues.

It is obvious that unrestricted polygamy was an accepted mode of behaviour during the aiamey jaheliah (period of ignorance). But the scenario changed radically after the Revelation, qui est, Sura Nisa of the holy Quran. Verse 3 of Sura Nisa is clear with its provisions that:

“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, deux, three or four; but if ye fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (avec eux) then only one, ou (a captive) that your right hand possesses. Thus that will be more likely to prevent you from doing injustice.

This is the verse that contains perfect guidance for the believers that they may marry more than one wife only when they sincerely believe and possess the capacity to deal justly with the co-wives. But where they have an apprehension that it would not be possible for them to do justice as between wives, they are commanded to have only one wife. And this is the approved course of marital life which, as Allah says, will prevent men from doing injustice.

Then the next question is whether a Muslim man possesses the capacity to practice perfect justice as between women. The answer is also present in verse 129 of Sura Nisa. In this verse Allah, who knows the nature of man the best, cautions thatyou are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire’. Hence humans do not possess the ability to practice just dealing of a perfect nature. It is inferable from this verse that monogamy should be practiced as general rule of matrimonial behaviour.

Then what about the polygamy? There are diverse views as to this. The first view is that a male is permitted to have upto four wives with the condition that he should be just between them. The capacity to be perfectly just does not exist in the humans and hence it is impossible for a person to satisfy the condition of doing justice as among wives, Hence polygamy is, in effect, prohibited.

The advocates of the other view point out that the permission to have more than one wife is explicitly provided for and there is no express provision prohibiting polygamy and hence to deny it on the ground that the condition of justice is impossibility is fallacious. They argue that any such interpretation based on the relevant two verses is impermissible because it will mean that the two parts of the Holy Quran suffer from discrepancy which is an impossibility as pointed out by the Quran itself. Thus they reject absolute prohibition of polygamy as a rule of conduct under the Islamic law. They are of the opinion that a person can validly have upto four wives where he has no fear that he shall not be able to deal justly with them. But the person, who does not possess the ability to fulfil this condition but still takes the advantage of this permission, commits a fraud or abuses the Devine Permission. And for this he will be tried by Allah.

Cependant, the most accepted view taken by Islamic jurists and thinkers is that the permission to have more than one wife is conditional, and the condition is to deal with the wives justly. The nature of this condition is such as it is almost beyond the capacity of man to fulfil it. Par conséquent, the permission of polygamy is an exception and not a general rule.

The vital questions at this stage are two. Première, in what conditions or under what exceptional circumstances and according to what rules of conduct polygamy may be permitted. Deuxième, for what purposes and reasons polygamous marriage is impermissible.

Before answering these two questions it seems necessary to mention the approach of Islam towards marriage. Islam accepts marriage as an essential requirement for the wellbeing of the individual and the society. On the contrary, Islam clearly disapproves celibacy and treats it as an unnatural condition which produces evil. Cependant, it does not regard marriage as inevitable. In the need of individual, family or society, there may be divorce and remarriage; and there are provisions for those. Likewise, Islam provides for polygamy for the better interest of the individual and as well as the society. Following are some specified circumstances when polygamy may also be permissible.

d'un. If we recall the occasion of the Revelation of the Quranic verse permitting polygamy, we see, it was after the warUhadwhen the Muslim community was faced with the problem of rehabilitation of many orphans, widows and captives of war. Their treatment was to be governed by principle of greatest humanity and equity. Thus it was commanded that you marry the orphans, widows if you are quite sure that in this way you will be able to protect their interest and property with perfect justice to them. If not, make other arrangement for them. Cependant, it does not mean that this was guidance for that time only. En fait,, it was a rule provided for posterity, since such a situation may be faced by some future nations. Examples are the present Palestine, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.

b. Polygamy may be resorted to in those circumstances in which the purpose of marriage becomes frustrated. Capacity of procreation, care of children, of household affairs, marital sex satisfaction and compatibility of behaviour as between spouses are some of the elements of comprehensive purpose of a marriage. When such purpose is frustrated or not fulfilled because of wife’s barrenness, chronic illness, feeble-mindedness, madness, physical handicaps etc., polygamy may be permitted. The insights into this provision is that if another marriage was not allowed in such circumstances, and monogamy was the only way, then men would become prone to divorce the first wife resulting in throwing her in a more helpless and unsecured state of life.

Now comes a question that when a person practices polygamy in permissible limit, how will he deal with his wives, as it is clear that a man is not capable of doing perfect justice as between women?

Certainly, to escape Allah’s punishment, a person should try his best to do justice as between wives. En outre, there is a guideline in the holy Quran (Sura Nisa, Verse 129) que: ‘But turn not away (from a woman) altogether so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air).’

It means that where a person practices polygamy within the permissible limits, he should refrain form treating the first wife in a manner which renders her position as that of a woman without husband. Kindness and equity must inform marital relations even in case of a person having more than one wife.

The next point to be discussed here is the purposes and reasons for which polygamous marriage is impermissible. Dans l'Islam, protection of chastity and purity of sex life constitutes the basis of marital status. And the holy Quran in different places indicates that lust, lewdness, property, Beauté, lineage, or status cannot be the motive for seeking a woman in marriage. Thus where any of these constitutes the basis of desiring a polygamous marriage, that will be violation of divine commandments and hence impermissible.

The question that comes here logically is whether the observance of these rules of conduct by Muslims may be left to their freewill or it is the duty of the state. Islamic jurists are of the opinion that Islamic state possesses the jurisdictions and power to take steps so that the injunction of the Quran is followed.

Bangladesh, like many others countries with large Muslim population, does have law, as personal law, to regulate polygamous marriage of its Muslim communities. The relevant portions of that law, à savoir, section 6 of the Muslim Family Laws Ordinance 1961, reads as follows:

1. No man, during the subsistence of an existing marriage, shall, except with the previous permission in writing of the arbitration council, contract another marriage …

2. (tels) application form … shall be submitted to the chairman (of the arbitration council)… and shall state the reasons for the proposed marriage and whether the consent of the existing wife or wives has been obtained thereto.

3. On receipt of the application … the Chairman (of the arbitration council) shall ask the applicant and his existing wife or wives, each, to nominate a representative, and the arbitration council so constituted may, if satisfied that the proposed marriage is necessary and just, grant, subject to such conditions, le cas échéant, as may be deemed fit, the permission applied for.

This law has given the Arbitration Council a wide discretionary power to deal with the issue. Aussi, it has not defined what can possibly benecessary and just groundsin this regard. These are why, according to legal experts, this law is prone to be abused. They think it necessary to define the expressionnecessary and just groundwith illustrations. Herewith I would like to add that that should be done in light of the rules of conduct provided in the holy Quran. No doubt, that will ensure maximum good to the Muslim individuals as well as the society.

The author is an advocate of Bangladesh Supreme Court, currently working for Bangladesh Legal Aid and Services Trust (BLAST). The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the organisation he serves

 Credit for the above info: The Daily Star.net/law, Avril 28, 2007, Issue No:17

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La polygamie 411 Merci à tous!

par on Dec.14, 2009, au cours Info polygamie., Section 2

polygamy 411As we draw near to the close of the year 2009, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has visited here at Polygamy 411, for their kindness and support. La polygamie 411 has been in existence since February 2009. As of this writing, there have been 40,396 visitors. The daily count has steadily continued to rise.

I have been touched, moved and inspired by all who have visited here and have commented. I have been helped here by many. I hope many have been helped and found hope here, ainsi. I feel as though I have a family of friends here, including many blog friendly friends whom I have taken a delight in communicating with at their sites, also. 

I’m wishing everyone a fresh new beginning in the New Year that we are about to embark upon in 2010. Although we will encounter ups and downs in our travel in time, I’m hopeful our ups will outweigh our downs. I’m learning slowly but surely we have to let go of the past in order to move forward into the future. We must dwell less on what we would like life to be, and more on what life is. Let’s embrace life with enthusiasm and optimism. Let’s take one day at a time and find the joy and beauty in life.

I wish you all the best and a healthy, happy and prosperous New Year!

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Un site de mariage gratuit amusant et excitant Voici!

par on Dec.13, 2009, au cours Info polygamie., Section 2

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Mariage en devenir 4 U est complet avec la ville en 3D; 3D chat; Messagerie instantanée avec voix; Salutations vidéo afin que vous puissiez rencontrer quelqu'un en temps réel; Email et plus. Chaque membre peut utiliser toutes les fonctionnalités fournies par le site sans aucun coût pour les.

Depuis le mariage en devenir 4 U en est à ses balbutiements et flambant neuf, nous vous demandons d'être patient tandis que nous acquérons des membres. Nous travaillons quotidiennement, générer du trafic vers le site. La patience est un cadeau qui récolte les fruits abondants. Soyez parmi les premiers à devenir membre de mariage en devenir 4 vous. Vous serez heureux vous avez rejoint!

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The Similarities between the Gens de Couleur Libre and Polygamy

par on Dec.06, 2009, au cours Info polygamie., Section 2

polygamy 411Interesting enough, I’ve learned something about the Gens de Couleur Libre –“The Free People of Colour,” and the correlation between their way of life in the nineteenth century and polygamy. I re-watched a movie on DVD last night, “The Feast of All Saintsby Anne Rice. It was an insightful epic story about the Creole society in New Orleans in the nineteenth century.

The movie tells the story of white man who marries a white woman as part of a contract, and becomes the wealthy owner of a sugar plantation in New Orleans in the nineteenth century. He has a secret mistress as well, a black woman, a Gen De Couleur Libre-one of “The Free People of Colour”, and shares his time between the two families. The mistress, although she lives in a world of culture and refinement, feels slighted as she and her family aren’t recognized.  The lawful wife is bitter and full of hatred towards her husband, as he didn’t marry her for love, but for a handshake and a contract. She loathes the fact that he spends their wealth on his other family. To further complicate matters, the husband also had a child by one of his slaves.

The movie gives a picture of the suffering and the shame that a white wife shared with her husband’s secret mistress, a black woman, a Gens De Couleur Libre. It also depicted the turmoil and suffering of the children born of the unions.

Dans would recommend anyone who has an interest in getting a glimpse of what it is possibly like for wives living la polygamie, including secret wives, and the children of polygamous relationships watch the movie, “The Feast of All Saints.”  It’s very informative and enlightening.  At least it was for me. If you get an opportunity to watch it or have watched it, please let me know your thoughts about it.

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