Ver vídeo sobre a poligamia no Reino Unido

por Ann em Oct.21, 2009, durante o poligamia na mídia

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u235sentinel
October 21st, 2009 em 11:01 AM
That was sad to see. While the UK recognizes polygamy for welfare reasons, it seems to have gone only half way in recognizing it so women and children are protected from men who seek to abuse it. Makes me upset when I come across this.

The gentlemen in the video who mentioned he openly lives with his three wives makes some good points. The law should adapt to the people, not the people to the law. At least where marriage is concerned I agree. It’s unreasonable for Government to regulate family and marriage so heavily.

Also his point about people living it opening or in secret as hypocrites. Very interesting. We hear about this happening all the time today. This Governor or that Senator having extramarital relations. Diseases are spread like mad.

I once read of a prophecy by Joseph Smith that in the last days there will be horrible diseases spread by immorality. We see the fulfillment of that today and I believe this is just the beginning. It’s going to get worse unless we make it better.

I teach that to my children. It’s their choice what world they live in when they grow up. We can choose to live in any world we desire. Personally I refuse to live in a world of abuse and hate. I’m certainly capable of being mad, but I choose to not live in that world.
Início
October 21st, 2009 em 7:46 PM
Dear Anna,

I am directing this to you, because you created Poligamy411. I have been following this website and I welcome your recent change of heart: you have finally opened up to the World Wide World. I felt for a while that this website was about you and Carolinah H and Alex X. Now I sense something different. There is a concern for others, and human rights, and things that humanity have thrived for to elevate their/mine/your individual little, miserly, egoistic, egotistic, natures and care about other people. Obrigado. You are looking more human to me as of lately.

So I would like to share my thoughts for the first? Time:

Prophet Mohamed married many women for a definite purpose. His wives were:

1. In monogamy:
um. a remarkable businesswoman, the mother of his beloved daughter, the first Muslim convert, in my humble opinion, the love of his life.
2. Na poligamia (only after his monogamous marriage ended by death):
um. His best friend’s daughter
b. The caretaker of his daughter Fatima
c. Women whose husbands were killed in battle and who would be left to the dogs without protection.
d. Slave women who otherwise would have been left to the dogs without his protection, IN OTHER WORDS: DESTITUTE WOMEN in a very cruel world.

So tell me, if the Prophet’s wives (after his beloved Khadija died), all were married to him for friendship, political gain or protection, why do you continue to wonder about what the reality of polygamy is? He is the example, He is the truth.

Assim, you have a choice: you give a (lesser) man the ability to be polygamous by providing him with the economic means to do so (if he was a Higher Man, like the Prophet, he would never do so, by His example), or you are the recipient of his ability to be polygamous because of the following reasons: (i) he is able to provide to all his wives on his own and he would have multiple – bigger than his life – purposes for doing so (the Prophet’s example), or (ii) oucause he takes from one – the breadwinner wife and the spiritually strong first wife (você, Anna) – to give to the other/s (the Ultimate Anti-Prophet), or (iii) he is a very selfish man with a lot of money whose motivation is sexual and/or egotistical relief (a Post Modern freak with Muslim overtones).

Ó, for the love of God!!! If we just looked at the Prophet’s life choices in earnest!!! Would he have ever taken a second wife while Khadija was alive? NO!!! HE WAS TOO NOBLE TO DO THAT!! SHE WAS THE BREADWINNER, THE MOTHER OF HIS BELOVED DAUGHTER, AND SHE WAS HIS SPIRITUAL SUPPORT.

E, please show me the men that actually emulate him, in this world, today..

With all my love, concern, and respect,
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Jeannet
October 21st, 2009 em 10:52 PM
Início: BRAVO!
Início
October 21st, 2009 em 11:38 PM
U235sentinel,that video was very upsetting to me as well. It is so totally amazing that I had no idea what was going on in the world regarding polygamy until I started this blog. Afinal de contas, I knew no one that practiced polygamy and I had no one to talk to. I thought I was the only one being jerked around in such an arrangement. Little did I know it was global.

Eu não sei. I think polygamy is a monumental problem. I could see a person like you entering it and being good at it. Mas, for so many other persons, it’s all about selfishness and greed. I don’t even think legalizing polygamy would help solve the problem in the least bit. I think legalizing it might just complicate it more. Taking polygamy into the court system may be too overwhelming. Many of the men who practice it probably would still be deceitful and lie. Like new comer Ana made mention to-the men today aren’t entering polygamy for the good of mankind (womankind), for good noble reasons. It’s so very sad, like you said.

I’m beginning to think many men use the fact that other men cheat and have girlfriends on the side while polygamy, marrying more than one woman is frowned upon. Those men meet a woman, sleep with her, and move on. The parties entered into the relationships voluntarily. Of course many lie and deceive as well. But what is the difference between those men and men like the ones we’ve been hearing about, like those in the video. Is it different just because they pronounce the word “casamento” over the relationship? Those polygamous men do more wrong by enslaving women with a commitment for the women to be their property, por assim dizer.

This world has definitely changed. I see it everywhere I go and it gets real scary.

I’m wishing the best for you and your family.

Esta é uma casa aberta. Não há necessidade de bater. Apenas venha.
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October 22nd, 2009 em 12:24 AM
Dear Ana, I am so happy you have been following the blog and commented. Welcome officially to polygamy 411. I am so glad you are here and have honestly expressed your views.

I don’t think anyone could argue with you about the differences in the way the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) lived his life and practiced polygamy. You asked, “PBUHn class ="tr_" id="tr_149" data-token="V2h5IGRvIHlvdSBjb250aW51ZSB0byB3b25kZXIgYWJvdXQgd2hhdCB0aGUgcmVhbGl0eSBvZiBwb2x5Z2FteSBpcw,," data-source="">Why do you continue to wonder about what the reality of polygamy is?”-What a question…an excellent question that is. You are right; no man could ever measure up to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). He was the Truth. From what I’ve been seeing and hearing about polygamy today, the men practicing it haven’t begun to strive to be Believers and probably haven’t given it much thought. A man today striving to be a Believer probably wouldn’t engage in polygamy. How could a man, let’s say with four wives, have time to serve and worship Allah, the purpose for which we were created? Those are my thoughts. Why should I expect anything other than what’s been happening. You are so right.

That was beautifully said with truth and I appreciate very much you responding as you did. Your comment was very informative and very much welcomed. I’m hoping you’ll comment again soon and often.

Esta é uma casa aberta. Não há necessidade de bater. Apenas venha.
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October 22nd, 2009 em 1:05 AM
Jeannet, I have been so very clueless about so much that has been happening in the world. Like I mentioned to U235sentinel, it’s very scary. I didn’t know the depth of the seriousness the implications of divorce has in the lives of many people. I didn’t know the influence parents have on selecting a child’s mate. I didn’t know a whole lot and my eyes are opening wide right now. Without exageration, it’s freaking me out. I hope no one takes offense, but bear with me. I’m very appreciative of all who have been responding. I thank all of you!
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October 22nd, 2009 em 2:09 AM
Everyone, I apologize for putting the most recent smiley on this particular post. I removed it, as I felt uncomfortable about it. I thought it was inappropriate for a post of such importance.

I’m hoping that if anything is offensive to anyone at anytime you bring it to my attention, either on the post or the Contact Form on the blog. Constructive recommendations/suggestions are all and always welcomed.
Jeannet
October 22nd, 2009 em 8:37 AM
This is way off subject, but also interesting to note that Khadijah became acquainted with her future husband in the world of business. My understanding is that they got to know each other gradually, building friendship and mutual respect by working together over a considerable time before considering marriage.
This was not an arranged marriage.
Início
October 22nd, 2009 em 7:26 PM
Jeannet,

What you cited about the Prophet Muhammad and Khadijah is my understanding, bem. I think you’re correct.

It’s amazing so many people speak only of polygamy as being the way of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and they fail to mention the beauty of monogamy that he shared for so many years with his beloved wife Khadijah.

So many men dwell on searching for and marrying young girls/young women and fail to recognize that Khadijah was fifteen (15) years older than the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and after her death, when he became polygamous, many of his wives were older women and widowed.

One of the Prophet Muhammad’s wives, Zaynab, was a divorcee. Before Zaynab married the Prophet Muhammad, she had been married to Zayd.
anon
October 22nd, 2009 em 8:28 PM
I also stopped coming here after some comments related to resources for poly marriages/ counseling were not published. It seemed that poly411 was a misnomer and it was meant more of a personal blog discussing anna alex and carol rather than trying to help someone else like its purpose states. If it wasn’t for me spring cleaning my bookmarks I wouldn’t have been here today.
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October 23rd, 2009 em 12:56 PM
Anon,

I’m happy spring cleaning your bookmarks brought you back to polygamy 411. Welcome and thank you for your voice.

I’m sorry you believed the name of the blog was misleading to you and possibly others. By me being completely new to blogging and new to setting up a self-hosted site, it took me a bit of time to put things together. I think I made pretty good progress on the site, considering we’ve only been up and running nine months. I began with Alex, Carolinah and my story, as that was all I knew about polygamy when I created the site. That was what I needed to talk about immediately for my own mental health and wellbeing. I was wondering if there was anyone else out there in cyberspace that had ever experienced or was experiencing what I was going through. As time went on I came up with a few more ideas to enhance the site.

The name of the site was given to me by a dear friend who had foresight as to where the site could eventually go. So I guess we are on our way to taking it there. I just had to lay some type of foundation to get it going.

I hope you continue to join us here, and continue to give us your input. Thank you very much for inputting.

Esta é uma casa aberta. Não há necessidade de bater. Apenas venha.